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1. What attracted you to the siege of Malta as a plot for The
Religion?
I came across the siege because it plays a small role in Christopher
Marlowe's play 'Jew of Malta', which I produced for the Kurtz Theatre
Company. That provoked me to read Ernle Bradford's classic account
'The Great Siege', and I realized that here was a canvas so huge,
so exciting so astoundingly bloody and spectacular, that I had to
invent a story against that backcloth. I'm always alert to the possibility
of rich dramatic settings for a story, settings in which I can explore
the extremes of human emotion and experience.
Deeper research revealed a 16th century world of incredible wonder,
intrigue and beauty, which I hope is reflected in the novel. The
human imagination just exploded during that era - the list of revolutionary
figures in the arts, sciences, exploration, politics and religion
is unequalled by any other period. To imagine living in such an
era - and taking part in it - was a great inspiration to creating
characters who reflected that boldness of spirit and imagination.
The other great aspect of the siege of Malta was that the whole
known world gathered there for the battle - people from a vast range
of nationalities and cultures, over forty different languages, a
violent tower of Babel. The idea that only War could attract such
a diverse cast of extraordinary individuals - in order to kill each
other in what was essentially the middle of nowhere - fascinated
me with its marvelous yet tragic absurdity. No other endeavour or
event could have acted as such a magnet. Then, just as I started
writing the novel, something very similar took place in Iraq: thousands
of remarkable people from diverse cultures flocked to a remote place
at great cost in order to kill each other.
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2. Is there a real life character on whom Tannhauser is based?
Tannhauser is one-of-a-kind. There was no single specific character.
But I drew on the spirit of the many men of that age who embodied
something of his courage and violence, his intellectual curiosity,
his entrepreneurial spirit and daring, his ruthlessness and morality,
his physical toughness. Even by Tannhauser's standards, there were
real individuals who were more than his match. We all know the most
famous of them - Magellan, Pizarro, Cortes, Hawkins, Drake, Montluc
- but their fame can blind us to the reality of the lives that they
actually lived, which were quite astounding in all these respects.
No one alive even has the possibility of taking the kind of insane
risks they took, or of enduring the same terrors and privations.
La Valette, the knights' Grand Master, lived a life of danger and
adventure that no movie would ever dare to film. And behind that
handful of historically famous actors, there were, of course, thousands
of men of the same bold stripe. In my view that's one reason why
Shakespeare's characters are so enduring - he lived in and drew
from an age when men had few inhibitions to their impulses, either
noble or base, so his characters portray the fundamental elements
of human nature. This is what most interests me.
So Tannhauser is an original but based on a way of living and an
attitude to life which many real-life men embodied to the full.
They had huge balls, as does Tannhauser, and as does the book.
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3. Was there really a popish plot involving the Inquisition
and The Knights Of St John?
The specifics of the plot in the novel are invented, but the Vatican
certainly intrigued over the centuries to try to take control of
the Order of Saint John, for the reasons explained in the book.
As also explained, the Knights devised the most byzantine electoral
system ever invented specifically in order to thwart Vatican attempts
to meddle. The Knights Templar - another of the three military orders
of the Church - were entirely exterminated by Vatican intrigue,
in league with the French Crown, for similar motives, so such plots
have a sound basis in history.
The politics of our own era, as we all know, are characterized
worldwide by every extreme of treachery, deceit, greed, immorality,
narcissism and plain old evil. So it was then. But we have to remember
that the political actors of the 16th century had far fewer constraints
on their behaviour, enjoyed untrammeled power, and had almost nothing
to fear from surveillance and trails of evidence. My own theory
of life is that any human act that I can imagine - no matter how
irrational or depraved - has not only been done, but is being done
somewhere in the world even as I imagine it. Not only that, but
things are being done that are well beyond my imagination.
I will take the opportunity here to mention that 'The Religion'
enjoys a very enthusiastic following among the present Knights of
Malta, including one of their most eminent archeologists and historians,
who, after forty years studying the era, described the historical
accuracy of the novel as 'uncanny'.
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4. A book of this length and depth must take a lot of research.
How much time did you spend researching the novel before you started
writing?
As the above mentioned historian-knight said, the subject is 'unbelievably
complex', so the research took several years, and took me to Istanbul,
Malta, Rome, Sicily, Jerusalem and the archives of various libraries
and historical societies. I rarely know what details I will need
until I am writing a given scene; sometimes, by contrast, a detail
I discover will be so interesting as to demand a scene be written
to accommodate it. I expect each author has their own method of
research. My own is to absorb the essence of a place. I try to feel
the stones beneath my feet, to absorb the diverse qualities of light,
to imagine life as it was or might have been, to take in the landscape
and the sky, to feel the size and scale of the world as it was then
rather than is now. In these travels I would say that I tried to
rediscover that sense of awe which the power of the modern world
has taken away from us. Perhaps also, a sense of the Divine.
I've done a fair amount of formal scientific research in my medical
life, but somehow I don't like to be so formal in my research for
stories, though no doubt old habits die hard. I prefer to let my
unconscious get to work, to let impressions seep inside me, to let
the archetypes speak from the hidden depths. I found that I rarely
referred back to those notes and photographs I did make on those
visits; but I kept the instinctive impressions alive, almost in
an animalistic sense. I attended religious services in some of the
old cathedrals, churches and mosques. I tried to open myself to
the spirit of the various peoples. In these respects, I trust the
power of the unconscious more than the power of the intellect. The
latter often gets in the way of emotional or artistic truth. I'm
always aware that even in a discipline as rigorous as medicine,
the observations that I'm recording and presenting are, to some
degree, an illusion or at best a symbolic representation - the map
but not the territory, so to speak. Therefore, in the task of creating
a dream that others might share - which is my conception of a novel
- I fear that too strident a verisimilitude can undermine the dream,
or my own pursuit of that dream.
Having said all that, I did go to great pains to check all historical
and geographic details, including every word of the vocabulary,
which I didn't want to be anachronistic. I am expecting various
mistakes to be pointed out - though none yet after a year in print;
or at least none that can't be refuted by higher sources - but hope
that none are so glaring as to undermine the pleasure of the novel.
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5. The battle scenes in The
Religion were my favourite to read, which parts of the book were
your favourite to write?
I wrote the book in large part in order to write the extravagant
battle scenes with the kind of detail and realism that I've never
read anywhere else in a long lifetime of searching for them, so
I'm with you on that. However, I did discover much more pleasure
than I expected to in the quieter scenes and sequences, especially
the love scenes, such as the one where Tannhauser tells the tale
of the Nightingale and the Rose. The women characters were a great
challenge - the practice of war doesn't give them the opportunity
for big action. Unless it's science fiction, I'm generally irritated
by masculine portrayals of women, which seem to me a cheap form
of feminism and which suggest that unless a woman can use a sword
or a gun as well as a man there's not much point having her around.
So I was happy to find that the female characters still had plenty
to do.
It's a book about life, and in that respect it's a tremendously
physical book. In my own existence I love the physical dimension,
I love strenuous activity, and in the 16th century life was lived
much closer to nature on a raw organic level. They didn't live in
pods, cowering in terror with innumerable trivial phobias. Writing
about life in a natural world of wind, sea, stars, sweat and sun
was a pleasure. So was not having to write about the many modern
neuroses with which we make ourselves so needlessly miserable and,
instead, write about more fundamental emotions and concerns. Without
giving any spoilers, the slaughter of the dogs, Tannhauser in the
Guva, Carla in the infirmary, Orlandu and Amparo on the waterfront,
Bors playing backgammon, the Ethiope in the pink pavilion, Ludovico
washing himself, the arrival of the Turks on the hills, the meeting
Gullu Cakie's family, the young Anatolian recruits by the campfire,
the streets of Rome - all these moments spring to mind, but I enjoyed
writing every page. Both the stars at night and Tannhauser's washtub
were repeated pleasures.
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6. Were you surprised to learn the extent to which the Ottoman
Empire was a meritocracy?
Yes. To take two examples, both referred to in the book, the Admiral
of the Navy, Piyale, was a Serbian foundling and the greatest architect
in Turkish history, Sinan, was a Greek Devshirme slave. Many viziers
followed a similar route. It was an astoundingly intelligent system
and produced a highly sophisticated empire that lasted longer than
any but 'Rome' - if we take the broad definition - and did so in
better shape and which included more people and cultures than any
other. We also have to remember that the Turks didn't come from
'Turkey'; they came out of remote central Asia, took over half the
known world and made the other half tremble. Fantastic. The Ottoman
Empire remains one of the most remarkable political constructs in
history. The book hopefully pays tribute to this, and since it is
being published in Turkey, perhaps it has succeeded. All the great
religions are unimaginably complex human constructions and, unquestionably
in my view, a great force for good in human history, despite the
sixth-form rhetoric that currently passes for debate on the subject.
This isn't a book against religion. Indeed, it's about a man who
goes to Malta 'not for wealth or honour but to save his soul.'
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7. What are your favourite swash-buckling novels? Which writers
inspire you?
Richmond Lattimore's translation of Homer's Iliad is unbeatable
- accept no other - and in terms of the portrayal of unhinged combat
and violence was a benchmark for me. It's hard for me to remember
a novel in which the hero did exactly what I wanted him to do. Such
heroes were never violent and swashbuckling enough; they always
showed too much mercy and fake moral superiority in situations where
it would get them killed. It was always like getting just a couple
of tantalizing spoonfuls of some fabulous ice cream when I wanted
an enormous tubfull. 'The Religion' is the feast I always wanted.
I've read widely over the years, but I take the view that the love
of reading and writing starts early in life, and that the books
I loved as a youngster inspired me far more than battling halfway
through the first volume of Proust. Back then I loved George G.
Gilman, who wrote the great 'Edge' series of Westerns, now very
sadly out of print; Leon Uris; Louis L'Amour; Alastair MacClean;
Wilbur Smith; and above all Sven Hassel, whose vivid portrait of
a soldier's life in WW II remains entirely unequalled. Other inspirations
are H. Rider Haggard, Dumas pere, Dickens, Prescott, Balzac, Bataille,
Melville, Kipling, Fuentes; Lampedusa's 'The Leopard'; Cormac McCarthy's
'Blood Meridian'; Alan Garner's 'Weirdstone of Brisingamen'. I also
get much inspiration from Classical Opera - Puccini, Verdi, Handel.
Minimalism, in all its forms, bores me. I like art to be large,
intense and powerful, like life. Hence, of course, to Shakespeare.
No writer has been more subverted by the relentless namby-pambyism
of modern culture than Shakespeare. The only production of one of
his plays that I've ever seen that didn't cut its balls off with
a dull knife was Deborah Warner's 'Titus Andronicus' with Brian
Cox. Shakespeare understood his world and the nature of violent
and powerful men; his plays are crammed with the love of violence
that lies in men's hearts; but you'd never know it from the last
ten seasons of the RSC. You have to look the beast in the eye, as
he did, and, by the way, have some fun and excitement while doing
so. I co-founded a theatre company - Kurtz - and produced thirteen
plays, so theatre has been a big influence on my work. The novel
stands inside the big tent of Drama, along with opera, epic poetry,
balladry, song, dance, film and theatre, even though, like the Catholics
in Heaven, it would like to think it's the only one there. Dramatugy
is an art in itself, arguably the most ancient of all, so I think
primarily in terms of writing drama.
The British lumpen intelligentsia seem to regard any cinematic
quality in a novel as a negative, but I take the opposite view and
hope that most readers agree. The classic movies and great operas
embody a boldness and intensity of dramatic ambition that inspires
me in a way that modern literature rarely does.
In any case, no novelist in this age can feasibly claim that the
influence of cinema has not penetrated his or her work. It's also
often forgotten that movies are in fact written. I worked closely
with some of the greatest film directors - Pakula, Spielberg, Hansen,
Zucker, Mann - and learned a great deal about drama. I love Leone,
Peckinpah, Kubrick, Visconti, Eastwood, Kurosawa, Woo, each in his
unique way for the scale of his vision, his handling of action,
and his juxtaposition of character and landscape. In evoking a sense
of visual spectacle, both panoramic and intimate, especially in
the scenes of battle, I drew on their influence. Novelists evoked
the visual long before the camera was invented - which is why so
many old novels are still filmed - but cinema has undoubtedly raised
the portrayal - not just the visual but the narrative, or structural,
organization - of complex and large-scale action to its highest
level. I deliberately used certain cinematic reveals and editing
techniques, even certain lighting and sound effects, and music,
to make the world more palpable or real. In any given chapter, I
stuck to a tight internal point of view from a specific character.
On occasion this can evoke something akin to a track or dolly, if
they're in movement, or a pan.
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8. What is your favourite of all the books you have written?
The Religion is my favorite, though of course I have particular
affection for each of my books, as if they were children, especially
my first, Bad City Blues. I wrote Bad City in total
freedom, not really knowing what I was doing, and without any expectation
or even plan that it might be published. I wrote it for my own pleasure
and excitement, as I used to write stories as a boy. Once you are
invited into the cultural machine - i.e. in respect of a novel,
published - a million phantom voices start bleating, inside one's
head. Suddenly you're part of the machine whether you like it or
not - much worse, it internalizes itself like some evil virus -
and it starts laying down its timid little rules and telling you
what you should or shouldn't be doing. The hardest part of writing
- or rather, getting down to writing - is silencing those voices.
I think I did that successfully with The Religion, as I'd been off
the map for so long, but now they're a lot louder again. In terms
of what I like to read, listen to or watch, I've never given a damn
what the establishment cultural view was. In any case, most of what
I loved was roundly despised, at least on first appearance (establishment
Culture is usually several decades behind; much of yesterday's pulp
is today's classic and vice versa; see Dickens, Puccini and Leone).
That's how I wrote The Religion - purely to please myself,
which is why it is so extreme, so violent, so free, so mythical,
so libidinous, so full of the sheer power of life as I see it. I
should say here that my publisher at Jonathan Cape, the great Dan
Franklin, is not one of the above voices. Just about the only editorial
advice he has ever given me is: 'I wouldn't change a word.' God
bless him!
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9. Can you tell us anything about what you are working on at
the moment?
I'm working on the next installment of The Tannhauser Trilogy,
in which our hero finds himself and his loved ones in the direst
straits imaginable in the Huguenot Wars of France, specifically,
the Saint Bartholomew Massacres, in Paris and elsewhere, in 1572.
It's considered among the most complex periods in European history.
The conflict between Catholics and Protestant Huguenots was the
fulcrum upon which these wars balanced, but they were also the vehicle
for a dynastic political struggle between major aristocratic families
- Valois, Bourbon, Châtillon and Guise - for control of the
French throne. Regional and local vendettas, the ambitions and discontents
of a warlord nobility whose allegiance to the crown was often tenuous,
financial opportunity and economic disaster, the presence of unpaid
foreign mercenary armies, a simmering international crisis, and
fatal weaknesses - moral and otherwise - in the personalities of
the ruling royal house of Valois, all contributed to a general collapse
of law and order, a culture of intrigue, treachery and assassination,
and repeated civil wars of unusual and uninhibited barbarity. This
is the landscape across which the drama unfolds, and you will find
Tannhauser stepping up to the mark with his usual elan.
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